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Wednesday, September 2, 2009

God and his existence

This was sent by Sushil Kaushik(Bombay). I do not know the authenticity of the last line mentioning the name of the student. However it is interesting and provide ample opportunity to think over the subject.

Don't miss even a single word.... It's Too good

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof:
So you believe in God?

Student:
Absolutely, sir.

Prof
: Is God good?

Student:
Sure.

Prof:
Is God all-powerful?

Student
: Yes..

Prof:
My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)

Prof:
You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
Is Satan good?

Student
: No.

Prof:
Where does Satan come from?

Student:
From....God...

Prof:
That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)

Prof:
Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student:
Yes, sir.

Prof:
So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)

Prof:
Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.
Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student:
No, sir.

Prof:
Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student:
No, sir.

Prof:
Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student:
No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof:
Yet you still believe in Him?

Student:
Yes.

Prof:
According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist..
What do you say to that, son?

Student:
Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof:
Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student:
Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof:
Yes.

Student:
And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof:
Yes.

Student:
No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student
: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat..
But we don't have anything called cold.. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't
go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold . Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat
. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it .
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student:
What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof:
Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student :
You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright
light, flashing light......But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In
reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof:
So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student:
Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof:
Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student:
Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is
not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof:
If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student:
Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student:
Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student:
Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student
: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable..)

Prof:
I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student:
That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


this is a true story, and the

student was none other than .......




.. APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India.

(the italics in red are mine)

My comments:
Leave aside the fact this was told by Dr. Abdul Kalaam or not, the existence of professor's brain is time proven, by his very existence and by his profession and it need not be doubted just because it is not seen or visible. Similarly, just because we use certain phrases as opposite to certain facts, it does not mean the scientific facts of such things as cold and darkness are non existent.

I welcome scientific comments not emotional

5 comments:

Srinivas said...

Excellent mama, I enjoyed it very much.

facelessdesi said...

I have read this before and am ambivalent toward the point raised. It looks like somebody from the "Creationism" background wrote this and it is highly unlikely that the student was Mr. Kalam.

My ambivalence stems from the fact that I consider Science and Faith occupy mutually exclusive territories. I don't mean that a religious person cannot have a scientific bent. What I mean is that do not use faith to explain a scientific fact and vice versa. Till the 14th century everybody believed that the Sun went around the earth.

Consider Einsten. Despite being a great scientist, he believed in a higher form. But that did not stop him from doing his science research.

Many claim that eveolution is bunk because the Bible says that God created the world in 6 days. Maybe..but it could also be true that what we consider a day is not the same in God's calendar.

My point is that it is possible to be a person of faith and yet accept scientific theories like eveolution.

Thanks for posting this.

devarajan said...

Actually, whatever was discussed under the topic 'God and his Exitence', was taught /discussed as a part of curriculum in one of the recent ISCKON's seven-day course titled 'Science of Self-realization' under the chapter 'Does Got Exist?'. I don't know the origin of this.

However, my opinion is that believers need not take the pain of proving the existence of God to the non-believers. It is basically a preacher's job(Preacher is supposed to be a perfect Bhakti Yogi.) Half-boiled persons (majority of us are - who has one leg here in Laugeeka world and the other in Aanmeega world) should not attempt to answer these questions; otherwise, there are chances that he will make the non-believer stronger in his belief OR a believer may turn into a non-believer.

Let every individual find out of his / her own efforts, because today's believer may become a non-believer OR vice-versa. It is also true that a convert is always aggressive about his newly-acquired belief.

If belief of God is unconditional, it is real Bhakti.

Harisankar said...

whos the professor?

vidya said...

I feel these pairs of opposits are meant for elucidating each other with more clarity. "Dvandva" as it is known is very significant. The importance of light cannot be grasped without the help of darkness.